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  •  so its basically settled that demographics (6+ / 0-)

    have changed in our favor. This has been covered over and over here and elsewhere.

    Good News! Yay!

    ok...

    why is there no discussion of how to flip the white vote back to a more Liberal view? For decades we won based on that.

    in favor of government action to reduce the gap between rich and poor
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    Conservative groups range from lukewarm to opposed: 53-47 for men; 53-47 among voters 50-65; 46-54 among married men; 52-47 among all whites.
    does everyone think that the Repub. messaging system/propaganda has triumphed?

    or does everyone just accept that too many whites are now too rich, too racist, too religious (ie. evangelical), or too stupid to finally see past the wedge issues and vote in either their own interests or the country's?

    I'm one of those angry old white men that's always getting bashed around here. But I'M A LIFELONG LIBERAL AND WOULDN'T VOTE REPUBLICAN IF YOU HELD A GUN TO MY HEAD. I think, no, I know, that Reagan and the ideology he brought to this country's political debate is the worst thing that every happened in my lifetime. I fear greatly that it will be the end of this country. That's what I'm angry about.
    And according to the figures above there are still at least about 47% of us. that's a lot of votes.
    ok?

    How hard would it be to start trying to get a few more back on our side?

    no man is completely worthless, he can always be used as a bad example.

    by srfRantz on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 10:40:31 AM PST

    •  This is the $64,000 question (5+ / 0-)

      I really think we need to focus 1st on winning a greater share of whites outside the South and Appalachia. The problem is that the one way we know to do this (greater unionization) isn't supported by the big money players on the Democratic side.

      I also think that expanding medicare by letting people over 50 buy in would be a way to let these folks know that "hey there is a government program that benefits us too".  

      -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

      by dopper0189 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 10:46:08 AM PST

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      •  Great input! (2+ / 0-)
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        thanks.
        I am aware that union mobilization of voters really increased the white Democratic turnout this go round.
        And I think the leadership is aware of that and will hopefully turn more energy that direction.

        I've always been a huge supporter of Medicare for all, and have heard the lower the age to 50 argument before, and thought that was a great step, but never occured to me how it couldd help the angry old white person vote. Provided we could get them away from the couch in front of Fox. ;-)

        I'm 59. I couldn't afford insurance most of my life. Then only months after finally buying in at great expense (I probably could have got Medicaid but didn't know about it nor would've wanted to rely on it if I had), I had my insurance rescinded when they found out I needed heart surgery at 56 due to a genetic condition not heretofore discovered but a "pre-existing condition" nonetheless. Got it back--eventually--and I'm still here luckily thanks to a great surgeon--but not something I'd wish on anyone to ever have to go through.

        no man is completely worthless, he can always be used as a bad example.

        by srfRantz on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 11:09:05 AM PST

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    •  If I was George Soros (1+ / 0-)
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      or Bruce Wayne some other liberal billionaire with a shady agenda, I would start turbocharging Appalachia and/or the Midwest with green energy projects and biotech industries. I'd probably start with the Midwest, because, you know, Senate.

      Appalachia and the Midwest are a lot more amenable to the liberal agenda than people think. Like if you look at crime statistics and polls of wingnut questions you get a white response rate similar to that of the West and Northeast.

      The problem is that leftists haven't actually brought home any bacon for them in who knows how long. We can whine about being cockblocked by conservatives, but at the end of the day people vote for people who bring them bennies. Which is fine; the whole point of good government is to provide gifts and/or remove obstacles as long as it doesn't screw over other people.

      If I had access to party propaganda apparatus the very first thing I would do is to promote a jobs and renewable energy program focused on this area. And also federal funding for a bunch more universities. Fully funded universities you can go to for free.

    •  Just for clarity, you may be an angry old white (1+ / 0-)
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      man, but you're not "one of those angry old white men that's always getting bashed around here"...You had me at your contempt for Reagan's policies...

      •  thanks. (0+ / 0-)

        but I do think we really need to find a better label. that was my larger point. a lot of Angry White Men are angry about being called 'Angry White Men' and being blamed for everyone's problems. which sets them up to be easy prey for the RW propaganda which tells them its not their fault, its --choose your target group--.
        it really isn't that they're stupid or shallow, but really a lot more to being hurt and feeling betrayed. it would take me a lot of words to try and explain...

        I've meant for a few weeks now since the election to try and write my first diary entry around this topic.

        very dicey and difficult...but I think it needs to be addressed if we are to continue to "take back OUR country." ;-)

        no man is completely worthless, he can always be used as a bad example.

        by srfRantz on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 02:38:49 PM PST

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        •  This was a great Monty Python sketch... (0+ / 0-)

          “I think that all good, right thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am”

          But jokes aside, this is a demographic that Romney 2012 leveraged quite effectively, and I look forward to your diary. I don't think it's that dicey of a topic - white men (angry or not) have been important champions of progressive ideals through history, and that's going to continue.

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