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Did Obama lose the election last night?  Of course not!  Can he recover?  There's plenty of time and 2 more debates.

But let's not get as delusional as the wing nuts.  This wasn't 11 dimensional chess, it wasn't the moderators fault, it wasn't false snap polls, Barack Obama and his debate preparers Blew this big time!  Obama got his ass kicked, he got the S*&t kicked out of him!

Now, lets get away from the delusional excuses and put some lipstick on this pig.

1) The campaign now has a set of new lies from Romney to concentrate on, I expect to see clipps of those lies in new TV ads very soon.

2) The debate over whether Obama should look "presidential" during the debates is over.  This is a street fight against a pathological liar and the campaign now understands it.  Along with this is the BS that voters want to have a "conversation" about policy.  Obama actually won on policy points, but voters want to see a fight, so give them one.

3) Release the dogs.  This will make Joe Biden's preparation a lot easier.  No more bringing a knife to a gun fight.  Biden will go after all the BS in Ryan's budget and all the lies Romney tells.

4) There is time to better prepare Obama for the next debate.  He is WAAAAAAY to deliberative in his responses.  Ummmm, Aaaaaaaand, ... he needs snap answers that have been prepared in advance.  Ignore the moderator and go right after Romney's lies.

5) The bar for last night's debate was way to high for Obama, and way to low for Romney.  That will be reversed for the next debate.  Obama can recover in the next debate and get back on track.

6) Add a dozen more of your own non-delusional reasons that the Obama campaign can recover from this awful performance.

There is no doubt this was a costly mistake by Obama, and I expect he will take a hit in the polls, and may even start losing the national polls, but it will be much like a convention bounce, and we'll get back to a tighter race, with a slight lead for Obama.

If Romney can recover from the horrendous gaffs he has on almost a weekly basis, Obama can recover from a poor debate performance, without any gaffs I might add.  For those who thought this was going to be an easy ride to election night, well, now you know we've got to fight like hell to protect our future, so get out and fight!

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  •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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    pollwatcher, Delilah, Sunspots

    Strategic mistake by the Obama camp to try and remain above the fray. People want to see a street fight and he will need to take it to Romney hard the next debate. I am actually one of those people who thought it would be best for Obama to play it safe but I was surely mistaken. Go bold next debate and call out Romney's lies.

  •  I hope you're right. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    pollwatcher, sgary

    Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

    by Bush Bites on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:28:17 AM PDT

  •  Obamas ahead in every swing state (0+ / 0-)

    And that snooze-fest isn't going to change any minds.
    So long as there are no news-worthy gaffes, this is wrapped up.
    Obama is just going to run out the clock
    T

    •  Nope! Can't sweep this under the carpet. (6+ / 0-)
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      sgary, JackND, Delilah, cishart, Zornorph, Sunspots

      Obama looked bad, and let Romney look good.  This is going to cost, and next week we'll see some slippage in the polls.  

      •  Its not going to cost the election. (0+ / 0-)

        Jesus, did you see the Bush debates?
        Even unmitigated disasters in debates isn't that terribly important (you forgot Poland/Hard work).
        This was far from a disaster, the only one-liner that can be taken away from this debate was Mitt's Big Bird comment.
        The worst thing that will come of that debate will be your conserative brother-in-law will give you a hard time

    •  Running out the clock is the wrong thing to do. (4+ / 0-)
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      If any good comes out of this, I hope it stops what I've  sensed has been Team O's inclination to run out the clock.

      They're in a fight now and they'd better hit back. Hard. Repeatedly. Until the election is over.

      Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

      by Bush Bites on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:43:31 AM PDT

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    •  In fact, if Axelrod wasn't ordering up... (4+ / 0-)
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      ...another 5 attack ads before the "debate" even ended, he should be fired for incompetence.

      Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

      by Bush Bites on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:46:01 AM PDT

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      •  Yep, the silver lining (3+ / 0-)
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        Romney bald faced lied, like he usually does, so attack ads of his lies during the debate could help blunt some of the hit Obama will take.

        Like you say, Axelrod better be on top of this.

        •  Good diary, by the way. (2+ / 0-)
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          Recognizes the disaster, but provides a direction forward.

          Too many others are just wallowing in the disaster, or denying it altogether.

          Forward.

          Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

          by Bush Bites on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:56:55 AM PDT

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          •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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            sgary

            One of the best diaries on this fiasco from last night.  No delusion but still pro-active. Well done.

            I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

            by Delilah on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:08:38 AM PDT

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      •  Uh....if you think Axelrod should be fired for (0+ / 0-)

        this debate, then what does that suggest about the person whom was actually debating?
        Get a grip.

    •  Are you nuts? (1+ / 0-)
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      pollwatcher

      I hope the Obama camp is not taking pointers from you.  No they don't need to just run out the clock.  They need to unleash holy hell on Romney from today onward.  

      I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

      by Delilah on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:03:15 AM PDT

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      •  Are you literate? (0+ / 0-)

        I am not suggesting this is the course to take.
        I am suggesting that this is the course being taken.
        I am also not hysterical about it. This debate will not alter the course of the election. If debates were that important Bush would have never had a second term

  •  email from BHO last night: "Hey" (4+ / 0-)
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    I hope I made you proud out there explaining the vision we share for this country.

    Now we need to go win this election -- the most important thing that will happen tonight is what you do (or don't do) to help in the little time we have left.

    Because you've saved your payment information, your donation will go through immediately:

    even the plea seemed a little sad to me.  I almost felt ambivalent about rewarding bad behavior, but of course I
    clicked on

    Open, but not gaping..

    by sgary on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:48:06 AM PDT

  •  mostly agree but... (1+ / 0-)
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    pollwatcher

    I do give much fault to Jim Lehrer...he allowed the format to be blown apart early, and then it simply became "Romney's Way".

    The next one is a town hall.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:57:15 AM PDT

    •  Should have been better prepared (2+ / 0-)
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      If the moderator can't control it, than the candidate has to step in take control.  Romney did.

      Obama apologized several times for going over the time, which was driving me crazy.  The President shouldn't apologize for trivial things on national TV.

  •  The only lipstick is that it's the first of three (4+ / 0-)
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    debates and Obama can make it up in the next 2.

    I thought the President lacked energy, passion and conviction which was incredible to me given that literally ALL THE FACTS are on his side.

    Romney won it purely on the basis of presence and confidence, not because of one single word he uttered.
    In retrospect watching some of it again this morning, he seemed almost manic, but if anything that magnified the listlessness of President Obama.

    People do not respond to calm and professorial in a debate situation. They just tune out.

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:00:47 AM PDT

  •  Maybe Obama's trying a gradual approach (1+ / 0-)
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    Perhaps last night he was trying to avoid appearing too strident and by contrast make Romney look obnoxious.  Not sure that worked.

    Either way, it would be impossible to fault him for getting down and dirty next time, if that's what he has in mind.

  •  What were they thinking - or not? (1+ / 0-)
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    Sunspots

    There were a number of topics that were guaranteed to come up (where Mitt's responses were quite predictable) that provided the opportunity for concise and clean prepped responses from the Prez and at the same time allow him to reinforce so many of his campaign themes.  Take Health Care/Obamacare.   It was bound to come up, and you knew that Mitt would give some version of his Obamacare is gubmit takeover and private enterprise is always better.  Here's the response.  Well governor, we know that your plan is for those without insurance to just go to the emergency room - you said so on 60 minutes 2 weeks ago.  So lets get to real life situations.  What does your plan do about a 12 year old little girl who is diagnosed with Leukemia, but whose family doesn't have insurance.  Treatments ,including bone marrow, transplants can cost upwards of $200,000.  Now I know that may not be a big deal if you have millions stashed away in the Caymen Islands, but for most families, that is unaffordable.  So tell me governor, which private insurers do you know that will compete to pay for this little girl's medical bills?  Better yet, with all your vast investment experience, tell me which insurance companies you have invested in that routinely offer coverage to uninsured patients with catastrophic illnesses. And one more thing governor, they don't perform Bone Marrow Transplants in the emergency room!

    Concise, to the point, and reinforces that Romney is out of touch millionaire who has no idea what life is like for those not like him.  There were multiple topic areas (Romney's tax plan, The economy, Energy) just waiting for responses like this.  Was Obama not prepped? Does he just not like to get his hands dirty?

  •  A lot harder than it sounds. (1+ / 0-)
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    Taking the gloves off, that is.  Especially in this format.   Romney and Ryan have the advantage of defending a plan that they can make up as they go along.  The President and Vice President, however, have to defend enacted legislation that was written, scored and re-scored by an entirely separate branch with contributions by thousands in and outside of public service.  Obama and Biden are two of the smartest, most in command of the facts people who've ever been to D.C., but it's the difference between reciting a two page outline that exists only in your head and a thousand page tome in the hands of every nitpicker on the planet.    On stage.  Live. With your opponent shouting at you.

    I think the basic approach the President tried to go with last night is sound--be unflappable, avoid extended exchanges over minutiae, and trust that your advertising campaign can make up for the lack of offense on the stage.  He has the lead--commanding where it's most critical--and there's no reason to risk that by giving the challenger an opening in front of millions of viewers.

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