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Social Security is OFF the table. He said so in a press conference earlier today.

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  •  Social Security is not in that bad shape (0+ / 0-)

    So there's less of an argument for cutting benefits than there is with Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, I don't want to see those cut either, but I think it's unrealistic to expect that we will get the full expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the rich, plus NO cuts to entitlements. Some things are going to have to be given up, but I am glad to see the White House taking a tough opening posture.

    •  obama said its likely (3+ / 0-)
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      ericlewis0, NormAl1792, bear83

      tax rates are going to up himself.

      We will get a better senate with filibuster reform with BIGGER leverage.

      •  *go up (1+ / 0-)
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        ,he himself said it

      •  Be careful what you wish for (0+ / 0-)

        If we were going to reform the filibuster we should have done it in 2009. At this point, with a GOP-controlled House and a chance Republicans might take back the Senate in 2014, I am not sure it's worth it. I don't see this happening, but if Obama for some reason becomes really unpopular in his second term, we could end up completely out of power in 2017 and unable to stop the repeal of Obamacare or the nomination of reactionary judges.

        With a GOP-controlled House, there is only so much the Senate can do anyway, so I am just not sure it's worth setting the precedent. If we were going to do it we should have done it 4 years ago.

        •  There's a lot the Senate can do (2+ / 0-)
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          buckhorn okie, sreeizzle2012

          starting with the 101 current or pending federal judicial vacancies, plus the 100 or so more that are likely to happen the next 2 years, plus cabinet positions, other executive branch positions, and even the possibility of a Supreme Court nomination.

          Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

          by bear83 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 04:29:24 PM PST

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    •  I don't see that at all (3+ / 0-)
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      slinkerwink, bear83, buckhorn okie

      The Bush tax cuts expire on their own.

      If Democrats agree to cut Medicare and Social Security, then they can depend on Republicans running against them for cutting Social Security and Medicare in the midterms.

      I'll believe all this stuff is off the table when I stop hearing Democrats in Congress saying things like:

      We want to take a look at what we can do to Medicare and Medicaid, means testing, although we do means test Medicare now. I think we ought to expand means testing and I really think we can take a look at the way we compute the consumer price index.

      "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

      by Demi Moaned on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:50:35 PM PST

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  •  So now I can finally tell Jill Stein to STFU (5+ / 0-)

    Seriously...  She has some nerve to say the Democratic Party, the ones responsible for Medicare and Social Security, want those programs to be on the chopping block.


    •  It was only 30 to 40 years (2+ / 0-)
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      ago that the Green Party was an important contributor to the national conversation, a Party that said many of the right things, but without the support needed to actually get many people elected. Their ideas had some small influence on the conversation though. Now look at it. Cynthia McKinney, a national embarrassment, is actually a prominent member of the Greens (and last cycle's presidential nominee). And Jill Stein, who brings to bear not only the most extreme positions for every major issue, but a personality that seems designed to make people NOT want to have anything to do with her (let alone vote for her). As a Democrat, I'm glad that the Greens are such a joke now, as it means we don't lose as many votes from our left wing. But as someone who leans left, I am embarrassed that our most extreme elements are now no better than those on the right.

      •  Right. And I love Green people (1+ / 0-)
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        The truth is, I love a lot of things the Green Party stands for but their influence is over.  Their new ideas are getting old although their concern over environmentalism is important to recognize.

        Seriously, I just think Jill Stein is becoming another partisan politician.  Most disaffected people who can't stand the two-party system seem to love Jill Stein and her views but I'm not naive.  I've witness Ralph Nader and his ridiculous, would-be presidential campaigns which were NOTHING about running for president and instead simply about activism.  When I vote for a president, I vote for a potential  PRESIDENT, not an activist.

        There were Green people who came up to me at an Earth Day celebration in 2004 in Berkeley and didn't want anything to do with Ralph Nader.  Then registered as Democrats and voted for John Kerry because they didn't want Dubya re-elected for a second term.  

        Oh and here's the even bigger hypocrisy:  Former Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson quits the Democratic Party and joins his own party just to run for President.  Wow, ANOTHER activist!  Anderson says he was disillusioned with Democrats over Barack Obama being too pro-war.  Seriously, is Anderson not aware that Daily Kos exists?  There are at least 100,000 (perhaps even more) grassroots activists on Daily Kos ready to help Anderson and his efforts to hold President Obama accountable because there are a LOT of anti-war Democrats on here.  A LOT of them, even many who still want Bush's crimes to be dealt with.

        But instead of talking about outreach on Daily Kos, Anderson had to run for President.  Some Democrat he was.

      •  Another thing.... (1+ / 0-)
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        When then-San Francisco Board of Supervisors President Matt Gonzales ran for Mayor of San Francisco in 2003, there were a number of Democrats and Greens who voted for him.  One problem, was, Gonzales's ideas just weren't that practical.  Also, not a whole lot of the business community wanted him as Mayor and he was just not as likable as a guy compared to Gavin Newsom.

        Now Gavin Newsom may not be the most progressive Democrat in the world but he accomplished a hell of a lot more as Mayor than Matt Gonzales ever did when he was President of the Board of Supervisors.  Hell, Newsom's standing in the gay community is RED HOT and he was able to set a stage for a more business friendly San Francisco than a city which quite frankly was for the longest time too activism oriented and not results oriented.

        Look, don't get me wrong.  I'm about activism as long as it makes a difference and I believe small businesses shouldn't be put at a disadvantage due to more in restaurants or businesses.

        But really, Green Party candidates running for office have little or no charisma.  They always whine and moan about the two-party system and they never stop whining.  I'm just so sick of it.  Heard it once in 2000, again in 2004 but after that, it's like a broken record.

  •  They need to get back to collecting the payroll (2+ / 0-)
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    Thinking Fella, FiredUpInCA

    tax pretty quick.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:48:27 PM PST

  •  That's on a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff (5+ / 0-)

    that doesn't necessarily take Social Security off the table in a separate Grand Bargain-type deal next year.

    I simply do not understand the dismissiveness on the part of some towards liberals who try to put the administration and Democrats on notice regarding any potential benefit cuts to the big 3 safety net programs.  The best way to ensure that the administration and Democrats will not touch benefits in a fiscal cliff deal or in some future Grand Bargain is to let them know that we are watching carefully, and that we will bring down a thousand ton shithammer on them if they do propose benefit cuts.

    On the other hand if we simply give them all the benefit of the doubt and just assume they won't touch safety net benefits, they may just come to the conclusion that they can offer more concessions, maybe even benefit cuts, since we've got their backs unconditionally.

    The sort of pressure that liberals have been applying on the administration and on Democrats, and letting them know that we are watching them very carefully and skeptically, is absolutely the right thing to do.  Frankly I believe the last four years would've gone a lot better if liberals had organized and pressured and agitated after the 2008 election instead of demobilizing.

    And regarding you're "I told you so", I remember at various points people giving premature "I told you sos" about the public option, extending the Bush tax cuts, and the administration's proposal of a Grand Bargain that would cut benefits.  And in the end the public option did eventually get cut, the Bush tax cuts did get extended, and the administration definitely did propose benefits cuts which fortunately never went through since Boehner bailed.  

    “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

    by puakev on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:55:17 PM PST

    •  tipped for an excellent comment (3+ / 0-)
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    •  There's a difference between leaning on Obama (2+ / 0-)
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      and the Dems, and announcing that we're all suckers, and that they're totally 100% going to gut social security and Medicare, the latter of which is the source of the flamewars and much more frequently diaried than the former.

    •  I won't have their backs if they cut them (1+ / 0-)
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      Sorry but if the Dems want me to work on selling their ideas don't tell me that we must cut entitlements.  That is bullshit.  Now if they want to fight to raise the salary cap (or even eliminate it) or purchase prescription drugs in bulk, I'll be there.

      I am already hearing some really bad stuff on Ed Schultz tonight from David Plouffe who is talking about cutting Medicare & Medicaid.  What gives with that?  Are we committing political suicide already?

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:37:50 PM PST

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  •  Not-so-bold prediction: (0+ / 0-)

    The administration will still tinker with it in minor ways and a subset of people here will still scream about it as though it were complete capitulation.

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 04:29:38 PM PST

  •  How about Medicare & Medicaid? (0+ / 0-)

    Those should be off the table too!  

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:34:22 PM PST

    •  providers cuts (0+ / 0-)

      And wasteful spending are what's on the table. Brooklynbadboy says that is what obama strongly supports and is pushing.

    •  They aren't off the table at all. (0+ / 0-)

      According to a WaPo article in :

      Carney, however, also embraced the view that any plan to tame the national debt would require adjustments to the nation’s health programs for the elderly and the poor, Medicare and Medicaid.

      Obama “believes and understands that in order to achieve a deal, a compromise, that everybody has to make some tough choices, and he remains committed to that principle,” Carney said.

      So somehow, in some way, the elderly and poor will get hit.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 07:19:24 PM PST

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