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WARNING: I'm kind of trolling here. All polls suck, and CNN polls suck more than most.


Most Democrats say they'd support Hillary Clinton if she wins their party's nomination, but a new national survey indicates only a minority are excited about that prospect.
So you're saying there's a chance for a Left Flank challenger? Maybe not.
"There are big differences between liberal and moderate Democrats that indicate that a primary challenger who runs to the right of Clinton may get more traction than a progressive challenger would," adds Holland. [. . .] Nearly three-quarters of liberals pick Clinton over her hypothetical opponents. Among moderate Democrats, that figure dropped to 58%," he added. [...] Twenty-percent of those questioned said they'd support a more conservative Democrat for the nomination, with 11% saying they'd back a more liberal candidate.
Only 58%!! The Third Way is right! (And um, Right.) Matt Miller for President!!

All kidding aside, this is asinine stuff from CNN. I don't know of any comparable poll results on "enthusiasm" versus "satisfied, but I don't imagine 41% enthusiastic is that bad a number.  Anyway, the number for "upset" if Clinton gains the nomination is 5%. No indication of how many "upset" want a more conservative candidate.

It's early days yet (not really) but maybe the data indicate that a Right-Left coalition to STOP HILLARY! might get a third of the vote. Is there a Fusion line in the primaries?

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  •  I've said it before (17+ / 0-)

    and I'll say it again now - I think it's good and necessary to hear loudly from folks upset with the prospect of Hillary Clinton being the next Dem nominee.

    And I'm very glad they are airing their views here at daily kos.

    The search for a candidate seems daunting to me but I like the discussion of the issues that are of most concern.

    I don't know if Clinton will shore up, at least rhetorically, on these issues (though on income inequality she surely has),  but it is an important process.

    And sometimes it's all we got.

    •  I am a little tired of it myself. (4+ / 0-)
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      AoT, Catte Nappe, yippee ki yay, Sylv

      Not because I support her but because I have no clue who will be running against her. I had barely even heard of Howard Dean at this point in 2002, had no clue he would be running and yet fully supported him once he was.

      All of this seems like one big circle jerk to me right now and the only thing it is accomplishing is pissing people off.

      Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

      by Mike S on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:43:33 AM PDT

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  •  The only challenge from the right against... (13+ / 0-)

    ...Hillary Clinton will be from the Republicans--assuming Hillary makes it through the primaries, which, according to far too many here, is a forgone conclusion.

    Contrary to the CNN poll, the WaPo-ABC poll gives us a somewhat different picture of the "reality" discussed in this post, per my own post here six days ago: WaPo-ABC News Poll: 55% of Dems/Leaning Dems “Don’t Want A Free Pass For Clinton”.

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:02:50 AM PDT

  •  I don't think she will run. (1+ / 0-)
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    I seriously hope not.

    But, given her age, things going in her family life (Chelsea is worth 600k? Seriously? With a straight face seriously? Come on. That's like Gohmert being a rocket scientist, or Issa being honest. ) and the fact that a loss would eclipse her otherwise interesting resume, I suspect that she is enjoying the spotlight but will not run.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:19:29 AM PDT

    •  Time will tell (5+ / 0-)

      but my take is she's definitely running.

    •  I think both Clintons (0+ / 0-)

      are very eager to get back in the White House and be in the thick of things once more.

      •  What better way to secure Bill's Legacy. (0+ / 0-)

        What better way to secure Bill's Legacy.

        •  Right now Bill's legacy with me is as the man who (5+ / 0-)
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          successfully launched the DLC mode of Republican lite Democrats who enabled the wealthy and eroded the middle class. Once out of office, he devoted himself to erasing the Clinton household deficit which he did speedily while also casting himself as the third Bush son.

          And now we are all supposed to wait breathlessly as Hillary decides whether the crown of the Presidency is outweighed by the crown of grand parenthood (hint, it won't be).

          Hillary is not a good campaigner- never has been, never will be; basically she cannot stop herself from attempting to triangulate and equivocate about every issue on the planet in her desperate desire to be all things to all people. I wish someone would ask her whether she has come to a decision regarding whether undocumented workers should be allowed to have drivers licenses.

          If Hillary would be her hawkish, unequivocal self, she'll have plenty of adherents and fans from all the Third Way corporatist types and even the Republicans driven out by the Tea Party. Her coalition will be strong enough to mow down any opposition unless she campaigns as she always has - fecklessly.

          I agree with the commentators who compare her to Joe Lieberman and Cuomo - if it weren't for her gender and the chance at snagging First Female President, a lot of people wouldn't look twice at her based on her policy stances alone.

          “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

          by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 09:14:49 AM PDT

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          •  Being the ultimate insider may be a problem (1+ / 0-)
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            Americans are not thrilled with how things are going and I'm not so sure asking them to rerun the last 25 years is going to be a winner but that will of course depend on the economy and the mess in the middle east.  

  •  Would the candidate for a right-left coalition (2+ / 0-)
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    Be someone who is perceived as more socially conservative than Hillary Clinton (but not excessively so) and uses her vote on the Patriot Act to hammer her as someone who is likely to be to the right of Barack Obama on Glenn Greenwald's favorite issues, trying to make that the main focus of the campaign?

    •  I dunno (1+ / 0-)
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      I was cracking a joke.

    •  How on Earth do you get to the right of Obama (4+ / 0-)

      on Greenwald's issues (civil liberties and executive powers) without looking crazy? Romney tried and failed to run to Obama's right on civil liberties because it's not possible.   Seriously, how do you concoct a policy that is to the right of secret trial-free death sentences for American citizens without literally looking like a mentally ill person?

    •  Schweitzer fits that mold (3+ / 0-)
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      dizzydean, AoT, greenbell

      He will likely position himself to the left on issues like civil liberties, and to the right on stuff like coal and guns.

      Not sure how others feel, but if he does that, he would look to me like just another Rand Paul. Lefties and Righties will be making tradeoffs on what issues are more important to them (e.g. for lefties, is the NSA issue more important than the Environment? and for righties, is the 2nd Amendment more important than marriage equality).  

      KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

      by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:20:43 AM PDT

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      •  There aren't any Republicans that are actually (8+ / 0-)

        strong on civil liberties, only republicans that are strong on civil liberties for white people. They're in favor of targeted surveillance of various groups of people of color. As well as using drone against petty criminals in the US. Rand is further to the right on civil liberties than Obama in practical terms. He just drops some vaguely reassuring words about it every now and again.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:52:07 AM PDT

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        •  agree (2+ / 0-)
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          But, do you remember that even some lefties expressed empathy for Rand Paul back in 2012? They were willing to toss all their values (guns, gays and Keynesian economics) under the bus in exchange for "NSA".

          Here's a good example of liberals advocating for Rand Paul, albeit its a more recent one:

          Liberals should proudly cheer on Rand Paul

          KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

          by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:15:29 AM PDT

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          •  I briefly had the same misconception (0+ / 0-)

            A campaign would blow that out of the water though. Paul just has too much he's said that contradicts his supposed support of civil liberties.

            But I still stand by my belief that anyone who can make it through the GOP primary will have zero chance of winning the general.

            No War but Class War

            by AoT on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:25:20 AM PDT

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    •  Glenn Greenwald's issues... (0+ / 0-)

      ...are a concern to Glenn Greenwald, and not many else.

      I'm not even sure he votes in U.S. elections.

      ODS results in Obama's amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

      by NoFortunateSon on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 09:04:14 AM PDT

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    •  A white man - Sherrod Brown - Ohio (1+ / 0-)
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      I think "conservative" may mean white guy to some because after 8 years of a break through African American in the White House going back to a white guy might be the best way to win an election in which people don't like Republican lunacy but have had enough of social change.

  •  Schweitzer. He'll run from the right (9+ / 0-)

    on a number of issues (guns, energy, environment).  He can play the populist, though, and has a number of strong supporters here due to his musings on the NSA, foreign policy and military spending...

    To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

    by dizzydean on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:36:59 AM PDT

    •  agree (7+ / 0-)

      but, I'd say "libertarian" is probably a better fit for Schweitzer than "right". And, I do think he will run.

      Having him on the stage with Hillary and maybe Sanders and O'Malley, would make a good contrast.

      Amongst that lot, I'd say O'Malley would be the most classically liberal Democrat. However, he's not getting much attention at this point.

      KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

      by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:58:53 AM PDT

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      •  It seems like a pretty big failure (7+ / 0-)

        on the part of the site and the community that Democratic elected officials other than at the national level get so little visibility here.  With a couple exceptions. Getting peoples' names out is a core part of getting more and better Democrats.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:55:54 AM PDT

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        •  Huh (1+ / 0-)
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          The "site" rolls out endorsements almost every week.

          Maybe you're the one that's failing.

          •  I know they do endorsements (3+ / 0-)
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            And that's great. But we rarely see much about any local politicians other than the flavor of the week or an endorsement. What I'm talking about is more tooting our own horn about the accomplishment of these potential candidates. The intense focus on Clinton this far out is moving the rest of these folks out of the light in a way that isn't helpful in the long term.

            No War but Class War

            by AoT on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:08:07 AM PDT

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          •  I took AoT's comment in the context (3+ / 0-)
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            of Presidential candidates, not candidates for the multitude of other races across the country. In that regard, he's right. We've got Markos supporting Hillary, and the far left supporting Warren, someone who clearly says she isn't running. No other possible Presidential candidate is seeing the light of day here. You disagree?

            KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

            by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:08:33 AM PDT

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            •  Beyond that scroll down the articles on the front (3+ / 0-)
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              page. There is literally one Democratic elected official named in the headlines and it's Obama. On the other hand, there are at least four GOP elected officials or candidates named in the headlines. This is obviously not a comprehensive survey, but that indicates a problem to me. When O'Malley signed the law raising the minimum wage in Maryland there should have been a headline with his name in it, not just a headline focusing on the law passed.

              There are Democratic office holders across the country doing things that are good on a regular basis and not getting hardly any notice. At the national level and the state level.

              I'm on here all the time and I had to go to O'Malley's wikipedia page to get an idea of what he had done. When a potential candidate for higher office does something good we need to get them name recognition. Instead we've got a bunch of stuff about GOP candidates. There's a place for that, but here it's mostly preaching to the choir.

              No War but Class War

              by AoT on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:18:17 AM PDT

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              •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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                When O'Malley signed the law raising the minimum wage in Maryland there should have been a headline with his name in it, not just a headline focusing on the law passed.
                I don't fault the front page though. We can all write diaries and get on the rec list. In that vein, there were two diaries about Maryland's minimum wage where O'Malley was mentioned and zero diaries on his potential candidacy, since the beginning of the year.

                On the other hand, there have been countless diaries on Warren, a candidate who clearly says she isn't a candidate.

                KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

                by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:27:01 AM PDT

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                •  We can't all write diaries and get on the rec (3+ / 0-)
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                  list. And none of the diaries about O'Malley have gotten to the rec list that I can tell. It's a vicious circle in a way. Diaries are far less likely to get on the rec list if they are about a relatively unknown politician which keeps those politicians relatively unknown.

                  If the front page ran more article with the names of folks in the headlines it would go a long way to make more politicians nationally known. As it is the front page only makes GOP candidates nationally known for their antics. I'm just saying I'd like to see the same done for democrats who do good.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:34:25 AM PDT

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                •  I agree, though the dark horse candidate other (2+ / 0-)
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                  than Schweitzer and maybe O'Malley has yet to declare or hint.  Warren is not going to run and neither will Sanders.  Biden has indicated he may run.  Deval Patrick or Mark Warner might.

                  One intriguing person might be Julian Castro, the former mayor of San Antonio and now secretary of HUD.  Smart (Stanford and Harvard Law), young (currently 39), ties to La Raza through his mother, gave a great speech at the DNC in 2012, appears pretty liberal, has executive experience.  

                  To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

                  by dizzydean on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:47:49 AM PDT

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                  •  wikipedia is doing a good job (1+ / 0-)
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                    of tracking candidate interest. here's what they got so far:

                    oe Biden, Vice President of the United States since 2009; U.S. Senator from Delaware 1973–2009; presidential candidate in 1988 and 2008[7][8][9]

                    Hillary Rodham Clinton, United States Secretary of State 2009–2013; U.S. Senator from New York 2001–2009; presidential candidate in 2008[9][10][11] 2016 campaign article

                    Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, 2005–2009; Governor of Vermont, 1991–2003; presidential candidate in 2004[12]

                    Martin O'Malley, Governor of Maryland since 2007; Mayor of Baltimore 1999–2007[13][9][12]

                    Joe Manchin, U.S. Senator from West Virginia since 2010; Governor of West Virginia 2005–2010; Secretary of State of West Virginia 2001–2005[14]

                    Bernie Sanders, Independent U.S. Senator from Vermont since 2007; Independent U.S. Representative from Vermont, 1991–2007[15][16][12]
                    Brian Schweitzer, Governor of Montana 2005–2013[17][18][12]

                    Jim Webb, U.S. Senator from Virginia 2007–2013; U.S. Secretary of the Navy 1987–1988[19][20][21]


                    KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

                    by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:58:28 AM PDT

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        •  Completely agree (4+ / 0-)
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          Right now, Hillary is ahead on one basis, and one basis only - name recognition. And, the left is failing miserably in identifying and supporting a candidate who actually has expressed in interest in running. Right now, on DailyKoS at least, we are going through the "Warren fawning phase". Hopefully, when it becomes clear she is really, really, really not running, it won't be too late to rally around a liberal/progressive candidate who is indeed running.

          KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

          by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:05:53 AM PDT

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    •  I think if Schweitzer DOES run (10+ / 0-)

      He'll run from her left. He's more conservative than Hillary in a lot of ways, but he's always ran on populism while Hillary is all about the status quo. I might vote for him in the primary if he decides to run.

      Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

      by Matt Z on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:21:44 AM PDT

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    •  Oh, great. Just what we need. A Dem running (3+ / 0-)
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      from the right on guns, energy and the environment.
      Why even have an election?

  •  Claire McCaskill approves this message. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:38:46 AM PDT

  •  What I find disturbing... (9+ / 0-) that there are a good number of Democrats who perceive Hillary as a liberal.

        These are, supposedly, Democrats. People who don't get their talking points spoonfed by Fox. People whom you might think have at least a smidgen of critical-thinking skills.

       And they perceive the warmongering, Wall Street-coddling Hillary Clinton as a "liberal".

       Maybe we deserve climate change to wipe us all out.

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:43:52 AM PDT

  •  That poll (7+ / 0-)

    demonstrates, once again, that the cross-section of opinion at Daily Kos is not a representative cross-section of the Democratic party, much less of the electorate. This site is well to the left of the center of the party as a whole, as well as whiter, male-r, and wealthier.

    We would do well not to forget this.

  •  The best part of a Hillary presidency (2+ / 0-)
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    (well, besides the fact that she'll make a great president) is the misery and head-shaking it will cause among the right wing. I do worry that Christie and Rubio can give her a significant challenge. Sure hope she wins.

    •  and Jeb (2+ / 0-)
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      But whats the likelihood of Christie, Rubio or Bush winning the Republican nomination?  I suppose if Romney was able to pull it off, any of those three could also.

      KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

      by fcvaguy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:10:49 AM PDT

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      •  Jeb too, that is a good point (3+ / 0-)
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        And yes, to the point about Romney, any of them can win. Even though every 4 years we say "he's not right-wing enough to win the primary," the Republicans always seem to nominate not-crazy-right-wing guys for the Presidency. Dole, W. Bush (who at the time was considered the moderate "compassionate conservative), McCain (the fake "maverick"), Romney.

        Once enough sophisticated states get involved, the Republicans manage to avoid crowning whackjobs like Santorum, even though they do well in places like Iowa.

        If it were a red-state-only primary, then the gasbags could get the nod, but since it's 50 states, one of Christie/Jeb/Rubio will be the guy, and they each have legitimate chances of pulling states like FL, PA, VA, WI, NJ, NH, etc.

        There's nothing close to a slam dunk in 2016.

    •  I really can't take Christie or Rubio seriously (1+ / 0-)
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      They are such cartoonish bafoons, that I can't imagine how they win a Presidency against any of the mentioned Democrats.

      I'd go on to say that Hillary would crush Jeb, Christie, or Rubio in Florida by 6 to 10%.

  •  It's the pre-Cuomo set up. There's going to be (4+ / 0-)
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    tons more stuff like this to prepare people for the Cuomo candidacy.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:30:25 AM PDT

    •  Has He Got ALEC Connections? nt (0+ / 0-)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:51:42 AM PDT

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      •  Depends on how you define it. (0+ / 0-)

        He has taken more money from the Koch brothers than even Scott Walker has, and ALEC is funded in large part by the Koches.  So in this respect, yes, he's linked to ALEC.

        Does he have a direct link to ALEC where he attends ALEC meetings or something?  No.  However, I have no clue if any of his staffers take part in ALEC meetings.

        Legislatively is he linked to ALEC?  I'd say that's a toss-up.  One could view some of his economic legislation as ALEC-like, such as his refusal to extend Patersons millionaires tax (until the left in this state went nuts), his repealing of bank taxes and attempt to repeal our (currently 100% refunded stock transfer tax), and his insistence on creating a new, less generous pension tier for civil servants two years after Paterson did the same thing.  One could say those items - and many others that I didn't list - are ALEC like or ALEC based ideas.

        He also had a dark money group behind him called the "Committee to Save New York" for a while - until they just about the time they were going to be required to report who their donors were - then they disbanded to prevent that from happening.

        "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

        by Darth Stateworker on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 09:51:13 AM PDT

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    •  Can't see Cumomo running. He is (1+ / 0-)
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      divorced, living with a woman to whom he is not married, and a Catholic. The bishops will be up in arms.

    •  Third way propaganda (7+ / 0-)

      as well as CNNs attempt to get a horse race started early so they'll make some more cash this election. If Clinton really is going to cruise to victory then it will cost them a good chunk of money because of all those ads that won't run.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:59:44 AM PDT

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    •  that would be enough (0+ / 0-)

      to keep me from voting.

      "Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war" - John Adams

      by esquimaux on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:16:30 AM PDT

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    •  Either that, or they're hoping Jon Huntsman (0+ / 0-)

      switches parties and makes another run for it...


  •  Armando, Armando, Armando...seriously, (5+ / 0-)

    "this is asinine stuff from CNN"?

    Could you please provide an example of stuff from CNN that is not asinine? ;-p

    "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

    by blue in NC on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:37:00 AM PDT

  •  What's HRC's best quality? She's a political (0+ / 0-)


    USE THAT AGAINST HER. It's so Rove.

    The only name mentioned in my If not HRC, then Who diary was Max Cleland. Yeah, HRC needs to go because she didn't fall on a grenade, get attacked by the right wing, not get any support from Democrats at large, loose her career. And Iraq. There's blood on her hands because she didn't fall on the Bush Iraq grenade.

    Somehow Rove has mutated in the dKos minds and everything that is wrong with politics is wrong with HRC first and foremost.

    So unless HRC can pretty up politics retroactively for 3 decades, she does not deserve to be President.

    Don't send a teddy bear to the Martinez family, they don't want you to intrude on their grief - send a postcard to a politician Not One More

    by 88kathy on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:33:26 AM PDT

  •  The important thing is (2+ / 0-)
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    Sonia Sotomayor ran into HClinton at Costco....

  •  You know what's amazing almost 2 1/2 years away (2+ / 0-)
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    from the presidential election. The lady will be 69 years old then. I am sorry, regardless of the health she is in today, no one can predict what ones health will be like between 67 and 69. Some of my worst ailments started in my late 60s. There is a reason why most people go into retirement at 65 to 67. We're tired, we're not well and we don't give a shit much anymore what anyone wants.

    The only thing that makes life bearable is my Taylor made driver, a shot of bourbon and being able to piss when the urge hits at 3am. I hear the woman in my life complain about her mid-late life ailments too. So all this talk about inevitability again (just like from 2004 to 2008) is deja vu all over again. I'm sure she's thinking of running. Maybe right now she wants to. But I would hedge my bets right now. Plus, even though there are a lot of real stinkers in government and politics on both sides of the aisle, the ones worthy of presidential aspirations are all just a dot in anyone's mind because she sucks the air out of all the rooms. She is also allowing her biggest haters to come out of the woodwork and drive everyone else nuts to have to hear her name 24x7. I am bewildered after her and Bill had to know what happened in 2008, why push her book out this far ahead of the election and give her biggest detractors on both sides of the divide that much time to beat the crap out of her again.

    Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others....Groucho Marx

    by tazz on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 09:00:19 AM PDT

    •  People who ever even consider running for Pres. (2+ / 0-)
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      do not have an outlook on life that you or I would consider "normal".

      Regardless of party, regardless of whether I'm a fan of their policies - they are driven to do this in ways that trump everything else.

  •  HRC is not "running" for POTUS. Just like EW. (1+ / 0-)
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    What happens next year remains to be seen. Here is the best summary of the state of play that I've seen to date.

    Warren is neither a Clintonesque triangulator nor an Obamaesque conciliator. She is a throwback to a more combative progressive tradition, and her candidacy is a test of whether that approach can still appeal to voters.-J. Toobin "New Yorker"

    by chuck utzman on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 10:57:50 AM PDT

  •  Just shows the power of the DKos echo chamber (0+ / 0-)

    That she has more opposition from her right than from her left. Most liberals love Hillary.

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