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Medical Marijuana I thought, originally was just a trick to make smoking it legal ... I thought that ok, perhaps maybe it eased the pain, dulled the mind, or something good like that enabling people in chronic pain to handle it better, but it wasn't what I would call .... real medicine.

I could not have been more wrong...  Why is this knowledge not mainstreamed?  (Oh, yeah, that damned corporate American media... "Don't want to upset our advertisers... we get a lot of cash from pharmaceuticals"..)

THC was proven unequivocally to be the trigger shutting down cancerous tumors from growing further...

Earlier,two researchers found that cannabidiol, a chemical in hemp and marijuana, caused the cancer gene to turn itself off, and return to dividing into normal cells...

Cancer is apparently a gene, that switches on to make cancer, and off, to make normal cells. Most likely it is a vestige from our earliest moments in life, when massive amounts of cells might be needed to be made in order to survive.  Something external retriggers that gene, and we get cancer....

Not only do we know this marijuana derivative does stop cancer. but in great news this week, just published from England, a research team has determined exactly how....

It uses the Cannabinoid receptor..  
Though complicated for the lay person, it goes something like this...

Cannabinoid receptor CB2 and GPR55 are overexpressed in cancer cells and control cell fate... The CB2 and GPR55 are both a G- protein.  G- proteins constitute a large protein family of receptors that sense molecules outside the cell and activate inside "signal transduction pathways" and, ultimately, cellular responses. Basically these are the fiber optic lines feeding data into our individual cells... This special receptor sits in our cell walls looking for Cannabinoids... (The sister of this one, CB1 is embedded in the cell wall looking for THC and is the one responsible for the high we feel upon achieving a certain level).  This CB2 receptor is specialized more towards turning growth on or off in either immature or mature cells... Basically if you pretend you are the president with your hand on the red button to send missiles into enemy airspace, this receptor would be you. As soon as you sense danger you would begin the process of firing the missiles....

Instead of missiles, the weapon in cancer is unlimited growth...  This CB2 and GPR55 are the eyes and ears of the cell... In early embryonic and infantile growth, a certain chemical could be released, touching that sensor and massive growth suddenly takes off.  Unfortunately perhaps near age 55 or maybe earlier, some alien chemical or another protein close enough to mimic that earlier protein, randomly touches one cell's receptor and boom, the signal is reignited..... "Initiate massive growth" orders go out to all necessary proteins ready and awaiting orders since last shutting down...

The breaking news of this story is that metaphorically, where as we knew that occasionally missiles would fly over our heads taking out cities over practically nothing, we didn't know how that was occurring... What researchers discovered in England relating to these two receptors, is the equivalent of us finding that our commander in chief gets information sent to him along these particular wires, and then he downloads a code to start the missile launching sequence, even if no threat is apparent....

Someone is giving false information to that president along these wires....
So, how can we get access to those same lines to say: "Stop, Mr. President, It's a mistake, Don't fire those missiles"? ... This Research is the equivalent of our noticing that there is always a marijuana smell in the outer office, every time the missiles fly... So by controlling the marijuana or THC to this person, we might make him so high, he forgets to download his false message and we shut down all the missile launches before they transpire....  Or something like that.

Rodents and petri dishes show astonishing results at stopping cancer with THC or other chemicals found in both Marijuana and hemp. Cancer has been stopped in breast, brain, and prostate cancer cells. We are now awaiting approval of tests on living humans (good idea to test things before trying them out as Common Core advocates are currently discovering should always be done first)... Hopefully the approval will be expedited with this good news.

But we are very close it appears, to having a cure for cancer and it will most likely come from a plant for which many Americans were and still are imprisoned for once having in their possession....
Only in an ignorant, closed-minded Conservative America.could a human being be jailed for life, over something that is not only harmless but may yet save the entire of mankind, pets and livestock, from the ravages of cancer....

What a messed up society Conservatives have given us... Please, you owe it to you, God, and our nation. No matter what state you live in, vote all of them out of office... We need to get rid of cancer...

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  •  An English study found a small decrease (5+ / 0-)

    in lung cancer rates among canabis users, thinking it might have a protective effect, perhaps killing off deformed cells so they can't become cancerous?

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 09:53:07 AM PDT

  •  I think you overstate (17+ / 0-)

    the research conclusions, but it certainly would seem that THC presents opportunities to help stop the growth of tumors.

    I believe that a one size fits all cancers may not exist, all cancers don't act in the same way, but since I don't have medical degree or advanced biology degree, don't take my word for it.

    •  You mean like the use of only Chemo, Surgery or (4+ / 0-)
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      Radiation, and the ignoring of the immune system entirely in favor of destroying it to destroy the cancer.

      Yes indeed.

      One size fits all.

      "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

      by GreenMother on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 10:07:38 AM PDT

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      •  that is not what I said at all (6+ / 0-)

        but you can believe what you want.

        I am not a fan of traditional western medicine, I don't generally rely on doctors who rely on chemicals only to treat illness, etc.

        All I meant is that not all cancers are tumors, my father died of leukemia he didn't have any tumors to treat.  And maybe not all tumors will respond to the same degree to THC.  The body is complex.

        And the research article didn't seem to suggest that the researchers were positive that THC stopped tumors cold.  Scientists tend to be a little careful after initial studies.

        Nor does the THC treatment seem to be an immune booster type treatment.  So is it also 'wrong' headed in its approach.  It blocks a receptor site so it should destroy anything per se except the rapid growth of the tumor, but there hasn't been any clinical work or long term studies on people that can guarantee it won't have harmful side effects.

        •  What is (1+ / 0-)
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          "traditional" "western" "medicine"?

          In the USA scientific study has been hindered due to "modern" "laws."

          This better be good. Because it is not going away.

          by DerAmi on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:13:11 AM PDT

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          •  the pushing of (4+ / 0-)
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            pharmaceuticals as a panacea.Until recently I think there has been too little emphasis on nutrition, environmental factors from toxins to what is in over processed foods and other lifestyle factors.

            That is starting to change.  As for scientific study, I think there are lots of competing interests that want their point of view to win, from big pharma, to anti-science nut cases, to the food industry that wants to push cheap ingredients not nutritious food.  Real science, money to fund questions without presuming answers and favoring a special interest does lose.

            •  I agree whole heartedly with this (5+ / 0-)

              I also agree that the body is complex, and that each person is physiologically unique and that affects their treatment options.

              "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

              by GreenMother on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:51:49 AM PDT

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        •  Lots of people who have used this treatment (3+ / 0-)
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          and who are using it, who say otherwise.

          I know that Marijuana like other natural substances are a threat to the status quo because in it's natural state it cannot be patented.

          Even if the only thing it did, was lower the stress levels and treat for pain, that would be very helpful and still boost the immune system just by alleviating the load of stress and pain, as well as increasing allowing people on chemo to eat food and enjoy it.

          According to the National Cancer Institute, an astounding 20% to 40% of cancer patients die from causes related to malnutrition, not from the cancer itself, and 80% of cancer patients develop some form of clinical malnutrition. Unfortunately, conventional medical advice suggesting a patient eat whatever they want, can actually feed the patient's cancer, promote their malnutrition, and contribute to the patient's inability to tolerate treatment. In addition, if the malnutrition is not addressed, it can lead to a condition called "cachexia," defined as a wasting syndrome that results in compromised immunity, weakness, and a loss of weight, fat, and muscle.
          Medical News Today

          There are many factors to consider in this and other herbal and nutritional treatments beyond what is outlined in this study.

          "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

          by GreenMother on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:56:39 AM PDT

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          •  I don't agree (2+ / 0-)
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            with the law on marijuana or that all research and medical uses have been virtually wiped out in this country.

            But many initial promising treatments don't turn out to scale up to the promise, which is not to say that they don't prove effective in certain situations and help people. I think that marijuana's effectiveness in pain or nausea relief is fairly well established.  But almost every week there is a promising scientific development at the research level and then the bottom line assessment is years away from proof in an actual treatment.  That is why I said after reading the link that the diary overstated what the syllabus to be more precise said.

            The process in England and Europe to move the research and potential treatment seems to be smoother than in the US.   So if in fact this is an efficacious treatment method to stop tumor growth,  we would be hard pressed to keep it out of the country in a few years.  That seems to be one of the quicker ways to get through FDC approval is use in the European markets for a substantial period of time.

            As for the problems with cancer patients,  I have noted that with some family members, the cancer seems to be held in check, but the chemo or radiation has so severely compromised their health that they never really recover to 'health' and just hang on a few years longer.  On the other hand I had an aunt survive breast cancer return to good health and live to 92 after her initial treatment at age 56.  So it isn't always bad.

            •  Thats because often the treatment studies are (1+ / 0-)
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              very flawed.

              Single ingredient substances often prove to be less potent, with more side effects.

              There is a reason that Natural Substances are often combinations of chemical constituents. It's a balance act. Nature always tries to bring things into balance gently. Whereas man always tries to perform brain surgery with a sledge hammer.

              In addition to that some studies are flawed because the doses are too small, or the duration of the study is too short, or they pick patients almost exclusively at Death's Door.

              If you are looking for failure then failure is what you will find.

              "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

              by GreenMother on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 01:37:20 PM PDT

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      •  The immune system is being harnessed (4+ / 0-)

        as never before in the fight against cancer. New antibody therapies are proving to be extremely effective in many cancers. And the prevailing wisdom across the board is that all therapy has to be personalized from sequencing tumor DNA to treating tumors with mutation-specific drugs. It's all about personalized medicine now. There is no one-size-fits-all mentality and has not been for a long time now.

        Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

        by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01:10 PM PDT

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        •  I realize I left (1+ / 0-)
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          a word out,  that there is no one size fits all cure to cancer (because cancer can take so many different forms).

          As for treatments, each year there are new and better things coming out.  What people died from ten years ago or even two years ago are being treated sucessfully today.  

          Seems to me that I still here many people tell me that doctors don't listen well enough yet, that they are dismissive of whay their patients tell them.   I am sure that some patients are totally passive, don't monitor their own health or reactions or are challenged to describe what they feel to the doctor.   And while annecdotes, one of them was good enough to win a malpractice suit, in which many of the demands weren't monetary, but were to change hospital procedures to give patients more rights to demand a second opinion, to allow nurse input and to even override doctor refusal to re-examine a patient post surgery.  All because a talented young father bled out internally  in the recovery room after simple outpatient surgery while the surgeon insisted there was nothing wrong.  The young man's last words were "I am not a stupid man, I know something is wrong with me."

        •  Your care is personalized if you can afford it (0+ / 0-)

          There are tests that can tell you the gene type of the cancer and what treatments it best responds to.

          The first test is about 900 Dollars, the Second test is about 3000. In America, you pay for that out of pocket, assuming it even works for your kind of cancer.

          So sure you can get all kinds of bells and whistles. It costs about the same for that kind of treatment as say, 4 years in an ivy league school. That's really cool if you have that kind of cash just laying around.

          Most people don't.

          What I have personally witnessed in the community for treatment astounds me in much the same way Abstinence Only crap astounds me, or how the Teabaggers actually became a force to be reckoned with, astounds me.

          It is a tour-de-force of pure greed and stupidity. I am not impressed at all. As someone who has had to face the possibility of their own mortality, I feel okay in just putting that out there.

          The way this country deals with cancer, the way them medical community doesn't deal with it, they might as well push glue huffing as a treatment option. It might just make you forget for a moment how utterly stupid and hopeless it all is, once you get a really good look at things.
           

          "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

          by GreenMother on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 05:28:54 PM PDT

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  •  I think that if... (18+ / 0-)

    smoking marijuana cured cancer, someone would have noticed by now.

    I know that's not what you're saying, but just want to state the obvious for those who skim headlines.

    Nevertheless, I hope that this leads to an effective treatment.

    •  There is such a bias against Marijuana (11+ / 0-)

      that even if  such miraculous effects were noticed, that knowledge could only be spread by word of mouth...  Nothing for public dissemination would ever be printed...

      Just like nothing good about being gay could at one time be printed...  But oh, bad about gay marriage?  It was everywhere...  (That was so 2012!)

      (Am I the only one, but bad about gay marriage seems to have completely disappeared off the public radar...)

      Marijuana faces the same bias... goes like this:  "People who smoke that stuff aren't normal like me. They are wacky, weird sort of folk who do forbidden things I might like to do, but would be disowned by my daddy if I ever did and got caught.."  

      Instead of "wacky" and "weird", "enlightened" is probably the more accurate description... :)  and that shift is what has to begin taking place; where marijuana is not something just for wacky and weirds, but for mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, and children...

      Knowledge is the key... You spoon feed them knowledge and eventually they get hungry, try it, and like it... and feel stupid inside that they held up something pretty good after all......

      •  MOST Americans only know the lies (8+ / 0-)

        and even though they don't trust the US government on much of anything, they still seem to think that reefer mad propaganda is somehow factual.

        Truth is we should launch a massive class-action suit for the massive crime Marijuana Prohibition is.

        Legal means "good".
        [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

        by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 10:58:13 AM PDT

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        •  You are addressing a different issue. (1+ / 0-)
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          Marijuana prohibition is one thing. Claiming it effectively treats cancer is another.

          Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

          by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 12:12:52 PM PDT

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          •  Actually.... I was referring to the topic in the (0+ / 0-)

            post above mine. which is fairly general and does not include specific claims of cancer treatment.

            it talks about bias and prohibitions and all that shit people have in their brains that pass for "knowledge" but isn't.

            Like your sig.

      •  A double-blind study is the only way (2+ / 0-)
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        we know of establishing the truth. Going back to the paper, there are 2 main cannabinoid receptors - CB1 and CB2. The paper concerns CB2 and there are a number of CB2-specific compounds that do not cause euphoria, a potentially complicating factor in a double-blind study. Such compounds have been around for well over a decade. There is an approved cannabinoid agonist on the market - Dronabinol - for the treatment of chemotherapy-induced nausea. So even if there is a bias against marijuana, it is possible to do clinical testing of the thesis advanced in the publication cited by the diarist.

        Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

        by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 12:11:49 PM PDT

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    •  has been noted (1+ / 0-)
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      Besides the cited research, I am aware of a case of lung cancer disappearance after repeated marijuana use.

      •  I'm aware of at least one case of a Stage IV (1+ / 0-)
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        cancer patient with cancerous tumors throughout his body that saw his tumors shrink away and his cancer go into full remission after using a concentrated cannabinoid product produced by my brother. To be fair he also radically changed his diet to strict vegan rich in fresh fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds including hemp seeds.

        Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

        by RMForbes on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 06:45:01 PM PDT

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    •  Well it could be that smoking and eating it (1+ / 0-)
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      may not be a good enough delivery system for it to effect Cancer large enough to detect and so then connections if there truly is one might not be as apparent to People using it even when taking it for a diagnosed Cancer.

    •  Not enough of the cannabinoid drugs are found in (1+ / 0-)
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      cannabis resins get to the cancerous cells when the dried female flowers and leaves of the cannabis plant are smoked. In order to get the desired medicinal effects concentrated cannabinoid oils need to utilized.

      The reason that cannabinoids are effective in treating cancer is because the herbal cannabinoids in cannabis resins mimic the natural cannabinoids produced in our body's endocannabinoid system which controls the natural process of replacing our cells. Apoptosis is the process where old cells die and are replaced with new cells. Cancer cells lose the ability to die naturally and the triggering of the CB2 receptor on these cell reminds the cell that they have lived past their time.

      When enough cannabinoids are in the system the cancer cells cannot spread to other areas of the body and new blood vessels are not created to nourish the cancerous cells. Cannabinoids are important to our health and herbal cannabinoids are useful when our bodies cannot produce enough natural cannabinoids to maintain balance at the cellular level.  

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 06:36:43 PM PDT

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  •  Go ahead, America, sell your booze & cigarettes (13+ / 0-)

    I am in a foul mood, the city of San Jose just passed horribly stupid, restrictive rules against legal cannabis clubs so nausea patients like me can be more wretched in an awful life. Maybe the clubs will survive, it doesn't look good.

    God damn you, San Jose, go ahead and sell booze and cigarettes right next to schools. Go ahead and set up a shelter so beat up wives and girlfriends have a place to stay after the drunken motherfuckers who beat them up sleep it off. Whistle along as the cancer deaths roar along, the liver problems, the drunk driving, all of it.

    So you don't like cannabis. You sure like other drugs that harm much more, and this shit is over in 2016, California is going to legalize cannabis and you sick hypocritical sonzabithes can go cry at home that the world changed, oh my god, why can't we be cruel for no reason anymore? Cruelty is cool, what happened?

    Democracy and screaming common sense happened, you heartless bastards. You're totally clueless about what it means to be a free American, jesus.

  •  There are a number of genes implicated in the (15+ / 0-)

    production of tumors. There is the Abl gene in that can produce chronic myelogenous leukemia, BRCA genes in breast cancer, etc.  and others.  Some viruses can also cause cancer, like Rous sarcoma virus.  So thinking that there may be just one cancer gene that can cause all tumors is probably incorrect.

    What was cited in the link was an abstract of the research.  An abstract is a very abbreviated condensation of the entire paper.  In this case, the paper is several pages long, the abstract is a few sentences.  So a lot of information doesn't appear in the abstract.  One thing that doesn't appear is that these results come from experiments on cells grown in tissue culture.  Often the results that are seen in tissue culture aren't seen when the experiments are done on animals.  Or if the drug is used in human trials.  So, while their results may be interesting, they may never get beyond the lab bench.  

    Also, another group of researchers will need to perform a similar experiment to validate the work that this group has done.  

    The additional research, if the primary research is found to be reproducible, could take many years to accomplish.  

    The whole paper is here.  http://www.jbc.org/...

    A word to the wise is sufficient. Republicans need at least a paragraph.

    by d3clark on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 10:27:00 AM PDT

    •  All true. (4+ / 0-)

      However, it's also true that if these findings had come from the study of some plant that nobody had ever heard about, it would be front page news in every major newspaper in America.

      One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain -Bob Marley

      by Darwinian Detritus on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:10:39 AM PDT

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      •  I see papers like that all the time (4+ / 0-)
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        from plants no one has ever heard of. Sometimes they make the news; sometimes they don't. Taxol, a quite effective breast cancer medication, comes from the bark of the Pacific Yew tree, although it is now made synthetically. That was front page news. But there are lots of compounds from plants being tested all the time. Believe me, if marijuana had a potent anti-cancer activity, it would be front page news. There is no big conspiracy against marijuana. In fact, its complete legalization is just a matter of time..

        Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

        by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 12:22:38 PM PDT

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      •  I think that your claim is doubtful. It might (0+ / 0-)

        make headlines in the National Enquirer and other tabloids, but I doubt that more than a fraction of newspapers would even notice a paper like this at this stage in its research, much less write about it.  

        A word to the wise is sufficient. Republicans need at least a paragraph.

        by d3clark on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 12:28:50 PM PDT

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    •  This is another interesting study... (5+ / 0-)
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      and certainly leads to the conclusion that more work needs to be done. Unfortunately, in cancer research, this same point has been arrived at repeatedly with great fanfare and rejoicing only to be later rained out because of some complicating factor or ineffectual result when a full study was done in vivo on human subjects. There have been so many, many disappointments. Lots and lots and lots of agents have been found to stop cancer cells from proliferating in vitro, but for whatever reason, they don't make suitable medications for humans - just as you have iterated.

      I do hope this works out, but to say that this is a done deal or a reason to go all out for cannabis use is not factual at all.

  •  THC pills requiring a doctor's prescription (2+ / 0-)
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    Smoking is not the only way to get THC into the human body.  If you're serious about getting cannabinoids used as medicine, then disengage from recreational drug use advocacy.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 10:42:35 AM PDT

    •  No such thing as a THC pill. (2+ / 0-)
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      MArinol isn't medical marijuana, even though people seem to think it is.

      100% synthetic crap.

      Saying "THC pills" would sort of betray one as "lacking knowledge about the topic".

      Legal means "good".
      [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:00:17 AM PDT

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    •  Au contraire...... (9+ / 0-)

      full, proper legalization of marijuana allows people to use it for what they want.

      Farmers can grow it.

      People can use it medically.

      People could research it without having to kiss DEA and HHS ass repeatedly (only to get shitty weed)

      You can make a paste out of it and rub it on your lumbar region" whatever.

      This is the point of ending prohibition.

      Legal means "good".
      [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:02:52 AM PDT

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      •  problem is rec. drug use dominates the discussion (0+ / 0-)

        And I'd love to be able to take that argument away from legalization opponents.  Float a targeted legalization bill then make some ads with Henry Ford's hemp car and redneck farmers talking about jobs.

        I've heard firsthand just how completely cynical a lot of people think the legalization movement really is and how easily they slip from talking about hemp fiber and oil into nastiness about "druggies" and "hipsters", so I'm frustrated by how this issue is being held hostage and I'm desperate for a third option.

        Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

        by Visceral on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:15:02 AM PDT

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        •  Artifact of marijuana prohibition. (3+ / 0-)

          That was created by the anti-marijuana propaganda as well as by the FAILURE of marijuana prohibition.

          See, marijuana prohibition was SUPPOSED to be about keeping people from smoking it.

          It NEVER accomplished that asshole mission.

          Prevented all Agricultural, Industrial and non-drug business-related applications beautifully.

          But we have always been able to smoke and the motherfucking assholes who run this country have INSISTED that the only reason we would want to relegalize the weed is for smoking.

          I reject your concern.

          Legal means "good".
          [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

          by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:24:12 AM PDT

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        •  It's also frustrating that 700K plus people (4+ / 0-)

          are arrested each year on weed offenses, ruining one live after another.  It's also frustrating that people can smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, two drugs proven to be much more dangerous than weed, and we can't legally smoke weed.  It's ridiculous.  I agree about the possibilities for hemp, definitely.  But we have to find a happy medium because the drug war has to stop now.

          "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

          by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:30:20 AM PDT

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      •  I can agree with most of this... (1+ / 0-)
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        except the "shitty weed" comment. There is no place in this country where you can get research quality cannabis of proven assay and providence other than that provided by the University of Mississippi under direction of the federal government.  Using any other source for research would get you laughed at.

        Now, some other suppliers might decide to go through the rigors and jump through the hoops to prove their methods, product and handling are sufficient to warrant certification, but most are a long, long way off and it is a rather costly process. The only company I know that seems to have the knowledge on what to do is the outfit that grows Charlotte's Web in Colorado. They get it an pay the cost to employ the necessary researchers, pharmacists and chemists to do the necessary quality control and documentation to make for a good, consistent product. There is also a research organization in the UK that seems to know what they are doing and could probably supply an acceptable research grade material for use by scientists.

        There might be a few other quality suppliers - I admit I'm not an expert in cannabis quality control and certification, but all of the other dispensary suppliers in the US are light years away from providing any research grade product.

    •  Why? The use of cannabinoids as an euphoric (0+ / 0-)

      has substantial medicinal benefits. Modern life has become quite stressful and stress can very easily develop into serious medical problems. Lowing stress and getting a good nights sleep is an important benefit of cannabinoid use. It's not like drinking alcohol which produces insomnia.  

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      by RMForbes on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 06:57:08 PM PDT

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  •  legalize hemp (6+ / 0-)

    This all started because of hemp. I think legalizing hemp is the first step we need to get past before we will really be able to utilize the psychoactive sister to hemp; marijuana.

    I can make almost my entire house from hemp. Other than the windows and electrical, I think hemp can fashion all other home building products including plumbing. It can replace all wood use for paper. It is 100% seasonally renewable, absorbs CO2, resists weeds and grows with little need for insecticides. It is the perfect plant in many ways both in its near global growing range and variety of uses.

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    by Travelin Man on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 10:54:27 AM PDT

    •  I see your point, but... (2+ / 0-)
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      "marihuana" is the battle ground that was so shrewdly chosen by the industrialists and I don't see any way we can quit that field. Besides, we're gaining a lot of ground there. More and more, the public is seeing marijuana as benign. Let's keep up the pressure on that front and use the fantastic material benefits of hemp as a flanking maneuver to further disrupt their ranks.

      Jesus Christ, I got pretty martial with that didn't I? Well, they started it. War on citizens who favor an herb. For fuck's sake.

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      by Darwinian Detritus on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:29:09 AM PDT

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    •  Hempcrete! (0+ / 0-)

      Let's sequester carbon in buildings and roads.

  •  Look, Kavips (11+ / 0-)

    Everyone here is glad that there is no positive association of cancer with marijuana smoking, and equally hopes marijuana is an anti-cancer treatment, and is willing to believe that there is some negative (that is, in this case, good!) effect.

    It would in fact be wonderful if it were a wonder treatment. But the body is complex, and cancer isn't just complex, it's a complex of many diseases, with very different courses.

    Maybe cannabinoids are good for all of them. But what we're saying is that a great deal more research, and replication of that research, is needed. By no means do I (or I suspect anyone) think that the funding for this work should be shut off--that would be close to criminal. But the work needs to be done.

  •  Well it's too bad I don't smoke the weed anymore. (2+ / 0-)
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    Anymore than I used to. :)

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    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:23:22 AM PDT

  •  Riddle me this Batman... (2+ / 0-)
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    If the brain has receptors for THC and Cannabidiol (and probably a host of other therapeutic Cannabinoids), and those chemicals are mostly only found in cannabis hemp, what were our ancestors doing?

    •  Our bodies didn't evolve (4+ / 0-)

      cannabinoid receptors so you could get high. They have a completely different function. One endogenous neurotransmitter is called anandamide. Cannabis plants probably started making THC in order to repel or disorient creatures that ate the leaves. It's just serendipity that humans like to get high and found a natural source of enablement. It's not all about us, not even mostly about us.

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      by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 12:28:46 PM PDT

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      •  THC and all the other cannabinoid drugs are (0+ / 0-)

        produced by the resin glands located almost exclusively in the female flowers of the cannabis plant. Eating the leaves of both male and female plants would do little to repel grazers. In fact, because of the mild euphoric effects of cannabinoids it would be more likely to attract some grazing by animals including humans especially after the female flowers become mature.

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        by RMForbes on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 08:34:06 PM PDT

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    •  Endocannabinoids (3+ / 0-)
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      Endocannabinoids are molecules that the body produces naturally to regulate brain activity.

      Since you can find these molecules in many mammalian species (and their homologous receptors) I doubt that the reason why the human brain has them is a result of some behavior by our human ancestors.

      So yeah, THC comes from the cannabis plant, but there is a whole mess of other molecules that don't and yet they  interact with CB1CB2 (with higher affinity)

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      by The Revenge of Shakshuka on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 12:39:01 PM PDT

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      •  Not just brain activity (1+ / 0-)
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        The endocannabinoid system regulates blood chemistry, metabolism and the immune system at the cellular level as well.

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        by RMForbes on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 08:37:44 PM PDT

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  •  That would come as a surprise (6+ / 0-)

    to Bob Marley's heirs. Bob died of melanoma in 1981. Not sure how much THC Bob ingested, but I'd have to guess that it was pretty high.

    In reading the paper cited by the diarist, it looks like THC retarded the growth of a xenograft tumor in athymic mice. That's quite a different thing from eliminating cancer. There are a number of drugs that slow the growth of tumors, but they don't kill the tumor. That's a major problem in cancer therapy. Slowing growth is good, but the cancer will still be lethal. Cancers also mutate under selection pressure and drug resistance has been any unpleasant feature of chemotherapy since the very earliest days of such therapy. Nevertheless the work was well done and published in a reputable journal. That said, there is a big gap between molecular studies and inferring anything about the use of marijuana and either incidence or treatment of cancer. I am not an epidemiologist, but I would guess that if there were a large beneficial effect of THC consumption on cancer, you might see it in populations that traditionally consume a lot of the drug. From my cursory reading, however, that doesn't seem to be the case, although many factors - genetic and environmental - play into such numbers.

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    by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:57:11 AM PDT

  •  I'm just waiting for a Big Pharma company to (2+ / 0-)
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    eyo, OleHippieChick

    try and shoot this down by claiming they already have a patent for this. That's when the fun will begin as to why they tortured cancer patients with ineffective but very profitable chemo. My previous wife died in agony from some very toxic medication whose side effects were worse than what the cancer was doing to end her life. I was lucky myself, my cancer was cured by surgery, no poisons needed.

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    by Sam Sara on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:58:25 AM PDT

  •  Need more? (1+ / 0-)
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    RMForbes

    Just do a google search for Phoenix Tears.
    Watch the videos.
    Sit in amazement and despair that this is public info that is being actively suppressed.
    Call your congressman, MP or whoever you use as a public representative. Inform them of these matters.
    Wait for action or get up off your ass and do something.
    See you at the "do something".

  •  It's not the THC (1+ / 0-)
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    RMForbes

    It's the cannabidiol that's the subject of these studies. At least that's what I think the linked reference says. THC is what mostly get's you high and pot growers try to max THC content.

    Cannabidiol, I think, is the second-most abundant cannabinoid in pot. It's the compound that has been shown to aid in preventing epileptic seizures. There have been other studies on this compound that I've seen referenced in news reports that suggest that this is one exceptional chemical. For example, I saw one report on Alternet that claimed it inhibited plaque growth in brains that's responsible for Alzheimer's. Sure wish we could get more $$ for Federal research on pot....

    •  Actually, all the cannabinoids seem to work (0+ / 0-)

      together in concert to produce many different medicinal benefits but you are mostly right. CBD is thought to trigger the CB2 receptor on the cells which tends to shrink cancerous tumors through the process of cellular apoptosis and not the THC which is mostly linked to the CB1 receptor.

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      by RMForbes on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 07:06:46 PM PDT

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  •  attacking simple solutions (1+ / 0-)
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    RMForbes

    is what the pharmaceutical industry is all about.  if they can't use you like a cash machine to treat your illness, they want nothing to do with you or what you use to cure what ails you.  it is amazing to me that taxpayers fund pharmaceutical research towards the goal of allowing a pharmaceutical company to literally hold hostage those who find themselves experiencing an illness.  morality and ethics have nothing to do with humanity when it comes to the business of selling drugs.  it is all about the benjamins and whose pocket they wind up in.  

  •  Should we mail these to the DEA? (0+ / 0-)

    I mean, since they say that there's no research showing that weed can have a beneficial effect and all.

    Like, print out this and other papers, and just mail the printout to their main office.

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    by spiritplumber on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 12:06:16 PM PDT

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